The Date Code Page has been removed until I determine ownership of whoever the hell it was that originally compiled the information. I am more than happy to give credit to those whose knowledge benefits the hobby and whose information I provide as a free service here on my website. However, there is a ton of known, and free, information floating out there in media, print, websites, and sometimes it is tough to determine who it originated from especially if old. Much of this is public record; and has been for decades, many times appearing thru the years; and it is not the first time someone has 'claimed' credit. So to avoid controversy I removed this page after receiving a email from a gentleman claiming to be the originator of the Date Codes:
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Eddie
If you don't have the courage to reply, then please list me as the source of the
"borrowed" info on your site. If you don't have the courage to
either reply, or list me as the source, then please either remove that page from
your site, or just link to my original posts on this forum.
Steve P
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Sorry for the inconvenience this has caused!
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As for other questions and comments a thread on the amcforum.net generated:
I also wish to add that in the 21+ years I have been in the hobby, as a vendor, I have accumulated a massive amount of literature, photos, memos, paraphernalia from not only dealership buyouts, but also individuals, swap meets, regional and national meets, ebay, businesses, you name it. Armed with much of this stuff I have been able to research, and write informative articles about that model, ask questions, and state facts. I do not fully understand why that is also so hard for some to comprehend. I have a shitload of information at my disposal and use it on a daily basis here in a effort to help others. I don't claim to know it all and there is no one in the hobby that knows it all either. It is not like there is one son-of-dick-teague person associated with AMC that knows everything that happened in the board rooms, on the production line, at every dealership lot, although some with The God Complex might have some believe otherwise. That is fine, they are entitled to their opinions and reference and information also, that is what is part of the fractured AMC hobby, and possibly one day everything will be known about these vehicles.
Do I know everything about AMC? No. No one does and only a idiot would be as so blind to believe otherwise. You don't buy insurance at the first place you go, nor do you buy the first car you see on the lot, and you always get a second opinion from a doctor. This is how it is with AMC and always will be. I have spent countless hours, and in some cases years trying to get things right. I'm not a fucking AMC guru, and don't like that tag a 'AMC Guru' to me is a idiot whose self righteous opinions are the word of god. These people exist with Mopar, train hobby, stamp collectors, I'm not saying they should be discounted, but they sure as hell should not be on a little pedestal they built for themselves. If you only have one opinion, evens stated as fact, you will have a mindset that started Germany on a course to war in the 1930s. Same mindset. Ziegheil. So this is why I encourage discussion, and always have, of a variety fo aMC topics, so hopefully one day everyone will find out the truth of whatever matter. As for some of the material in question? This is what I wrote a fellow about it: "That does not give me the right to claim someone's property however. Again, this gets very confusing when the material(s) could have been anywhere for public to see, read. I compare it to a children's song, Twinkle Twinkle Little star. As corny as that sound, who owns the song? Hans Andersen? Barney the dinosaur? Sesame Street? Your neighbor who sings it nightly? Me?
As for my website, I pay $20 a month here to help people out and again, I don't care if I make a fucking dime off them, just as long as they try to keep it fun, and possibly learn something. Many authors are credited, others are not, due to either a variety of reasons, from deceased, or public record/generic, or open records, to some I don't know who the author is, could be Madonna.
And no, I refuse to get 'baited' into a shit throwing fest on the forum in a thread about this, that is what destroyed the amxfiles website in 2003 from over 800 people to about 400 today, people just got tired of the shit throwing and left. The shit still flies over there and it is a huge reason that site will never live up to it's potential and never have a variety of opinions, from national auto writers, editors, board of directors, club presidents, vendors on it, as I said before above, these people have better things to do than listen to bitching. So they don't bother. And then you have only one or two people with opinions, ideas, facts and well, the AMC fan is the one who loses. Again. In other words, go to your one doctor with one opinion.
Charles Barkley once said it best: "I am not a role model".
And it finally shows why in that thread the whole motive behind it, someone had a hard on for me because of years ago when Tony Zamisch ripped me off on a NOS 70 AMX/Jav dash eyebrow. Yes, that happened in 1990/91, and I got screwed, so the real motive behind the whole thread was obviously to bring something up I had to write off as a loss 14 something years ago. Guess they are pals, but sad to see the forum digress like the files did. It never was a problem of me writing back someone who may, or may not, have been the original author of such material either. When someone writes me in a fucking uncivil manner demanding, why respond to begin with? I rarely get emails like that except from Nigerian dictators who can't seem to get to their $55 Mil. Again, I was NOT about to be intimidated by someone who may or may not have been the author of material I had on my website. And I sure as hell was not about to be baited into a fight like a fucking third grader either, sorry, well past that mentality!
And no, credibility is not the issue here. You are not going to please everyone whether at your job, relatives, soccer club, there are always going to be those who attempt to be Donald Trump and step all over others in a attempt to make themselves king of the mountain. Such is life. There are people who take my opinions as the 'word of god' while others dismiss it. Not a problem either. There is not one person never wrong in the hobby however. And some have been proven wrong on a number of issues, but while a apology or retraction of 'facts' is not a option, it still would be refreshing one day to see those folks simply, just once, admit possibly they made a mistake! I have made a number of mistakes myself. Who has not. I'm not sure where the David Simon comment came from either, David is a friend of mine and we speak often. As for things I have had in dealership buyouts, don't know why this is so hard to understand or comprehend either, as all I am doing is passing along the information. Some, like Lynn Barton's family was heavily involved with Nash, Rambler and AMC since the 40s in Staunton, VA. And they had boxes upon boxes of bulletins, forms, memos, everything one could possibly think of for decades, they saved everything. And they had several knowledgeable people like Lynn who did a lot of research, and documentation thru the years. Again, I simply do not understand one dismissing ones' credibility at another's expense. It is not like one sole person has researched these cars we love, nor only one has the keys to the vault. Obviously many did, just like other marques.
This is one of the
biggest problems, with the AMC Hobby, and always will be:
" Now everyone knows the info-which is good"
This dooms us more than anything I could ever print or write. Fact or Fiction. Thank God there are a number of people who are willing to print and share their information like Mays, Foster, Zinn to name a few. Maybe one day everyone will agree as to what is right or wrong, correct and incorrect, what was done on the lines and what was done at dealerships, what you could or could not order, what is a Donohue and is not, and all the damned cards will be on the table while there are still a few cars left, until then, there will be nothing more than a wide variety of those who may or may not know.
A educated hobby is a strong hobby.